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PostSubject: One for Shrek I think?   Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:41 am

Think its about time I made some solid plans for the old escort cabriolet (the one i had when I picked up that stereo from yours) as its still sat in my garage feelin sorry for itself, original idea was an rs2000 engine or a 1.8t but what could i get most power out of without costing an absolute fortune? before I know it summer will be here again an it'll still be sat in the garage teasing me lol

Ideas anyone?

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(ps there is a pic of the 'scort at the beginning of my passat project thread)
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:21 am

well this is a catch 21 question, you have to consider what your asking,
the cabriolet escort was much heavy than the original (nearly 50% heavyer) this was bcause the shcassi had to be double decked or strengthened to take acount of the extra strength needed due to the effective removale of the roof,
now considering this is it a good platform to be build as a high powerd car? when considering the key to speed is power to weight?
however.......
consider this, my own project (stupid astra) does not follow these quidlines two well as she is a 5 door and yes the 3 door is lighter but..... the phrase should be power to the correct weight ratio,
you see its all well and good riping parts of a car untill the kerb weight is under a tonne, if you put anything more than 200bhp in it, without ridicules money spent on the schassi, all it will do is wheel spin, but...... if the car has some wheght to it, you'll efectivley gain traction, then you can up the power more creating, in effect, a faster car than originally propossed,
further more, think of the handeling, if a car weighs nothing (again ignoring the sdvesse cost of extremme schasi modifacations) then it will 'skip' for example you cant run a mini with 200 bhp, itll never ever go round corners, but, put the same engine in say a nova, then you get an improvment but then put it in an astra and it should be un touchable, and its where the weight is acting, a low centre of gravity is obviously best, and again this should be achivable with the scort Cool

point being yes lets do it, the whole point of diy is doing things your own way,
so what to put in it? well its not light so somthing with a decent amount of torque, maybe a turbo with big turbo lag could work, im not a ford man but deano is, maybe its worth speeking to him?
i'll mention this thrad to him next time i see him alien
hope that helps mate
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:17 am

Thanks for that mate, a much more detailed reply than I was expecting lol thanks for takin the time, I was aware of the extra weight due to chassis strengthening but I love it as opposed to a tintop escort and as you said, this can help with handling and putting decent power down, don't get me wrong I don't want it to be anything ridiculous but a nice bit of grunt, some impressive acceleration and nice cornering should suit the old lad just fine! The turbo idea from a lag point of view is a good one I'm guessing thats for traction reasons? Another good thing about the old fords is plentiful parts, easy to find, lots of interchangeability and pretty damn cheap :-D also they can be pretty easy to tune i think but you're the guys to talk to about that!

I'm propa excited lol!
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:05 am

Was struggling to find much info but looks like the 50% heavier thing was inaccurate, I may be wrong but what I found was the 1.6 tintop escort weighs in at 1105kg and the 1.6 cabriolet (which mine is) weighs in at just 1170kg, so there's only 65kg in it, and I probably lost that weight when I got rid of the steels and the standard exhaust haha, I really need to get it up on a ramp and check the chassis for any rot, as far as I could see before it was solid, a little crust in places but nothing rotten but I'm curious to see around the boot seams etc, guess its a little job for me to do soon

I'm happy with the wheels and height but need a new driver door due to some scrote kickin it in and i think the drop links and suspension bushes need a change, the exhaust is sweet sounding but needs tinkering to get it to fit a bit better and then the whole car could do with a respray or even plasticote was an idea?

Might rip the dash out and give it a fresh lick or somethin to tidy it up and I'm sure I'll think of a lot more that needs doing but I'll add that as it progresses lol
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:18 am

mmmmmmm maybe i got the wrong end of the stick, i had asumed that the extra strength in the schassi would have increased the weight but for what was added into the floor maybe have been compensated by the reduction of weight from the roof?
that being the case you might be onto a winner
mmmmmmmmm maybe we need to concentrate on stiffing the schassi to improve performence, mmmmm maybe we could look at building a cage into it? ive never seen a caby scort with a cage? could be somthing special
the other thing is if your changing bushes, i'd upgrade to polly bushes, massive improvment and a life time garentee

its the old trick of improving the schassi before the engine, poly bushes, strut braces, big brakes and sticky tyres on small wheels
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:20 am

actually guy is your man, he used to do a lot of work with fords from memory
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:51 am

shrek wrote:
actually guy is your man, he used to do a lot of work with fords from memory
Is he on here? Might have to have a chat with him, look at me lol 2 bloody projects goin off at same time...... i'm a greedy twat lol

You're right about strengthenin first, been told the cabby shells twist easily when put under a lot of stress i.e lots of power and hard braking etc so struts are a must, I'll be honest, not a fan of the cage idea think it would ruin the roof bein down unless it was very subtle

Might be a stupid/overambitious question buttttt......... how hard would a rwd or 4wd conversion be? would be sweet to see the cabby with it's arse out geek and imagine seein it jump off the line at pod haha, skyhigh suspension and fat rear tyres lol!
tell me if i'm gettin a bit carried away
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:59 pm

what mark escort is it?

if its a nk3 then there was a few made for rallying by a comoany called getrag iirc, using the mk2 running gear.
other options are sierra floorpan/transmition tunnle with the sierra suspension pick up points and running gear depending on ehat engine u plan to use?
mk6 is the one im not sure on.....all the rest i have seen done.


or keep it fwd with a cvh turbo or simple zetec turbo

The ST 170 engine is another option if your not specificlly looking to turbo it.
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:17 pm

I agree with dean, simple cvh turbo would be cool but this will depend on budget, good cvh turbos are hard to find, could do a zvh? And rwd? From memory escort cosworths used a sierra floor pan to get the drive tunnel for the back end, if you wanted to do it to a cabby, then its not impossible but you'd need to buy a descent sierra that we could cut the body of and take the floor pan out and switch with the Scortt, but we would need a pritty big yard/ workshop to do it in, its a bit beyond the capabilitys of my drive (for example) werth thinking about though
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:54 pm

the escort cosworth was a sierea, but with escort bodypanles made to fit.
standard escorts arw much smaller and the escos was 4wd

twincam sierea floorpan can be grafted to fit and everything more or less libes up depending what mark escort it is.

Zvh is more hassle than its worth imho.....you still have to run the very reztrictive cvh top end

for the same price yoy could get a decent power zetec turvo running using cvh turbo and RS/ST parts
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:55 pm

mmmmmmmmm zetec turbo alien
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:22 pm

2.0 litre duratec on throttle bodies.
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:32 pm

Tb ain't cheep and you'd need a standalone ecu to run properly, other option is a carb setup? Maybe even bike carbs
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:19 am

I know, I'm just a dreamer
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:27 am

Before I had the nova I was massively into fords I have had loads xr2, xr2i, fiesta rst, escort rst, rs2000, xr3i etc etc plus a cabbi turbo. As far as handling the escorts fwds were never great and the cabbis are worse but with small cheap mods ie strut brace and some good quality suspension and good tyres on 15s (dont go any bigger or they handle s**t trust me) that will make a huge difference. And as far as power cvhs are limited to power and zvhs cost to much to get right and rs2000s are just poo, I have had two zetec turbos one I built myself it really is simple I would suggest a 1.8 standard engine (with the 2.0 you need to mess about with the water pump, sump etc) use a standart escort rst t3 turbo and manifold with adaptor plate, 2.0 cams , fiesta rst inlet manifold with injectors and injector rail with adaptor plate, decompression plate, escort rst s2 lsd gearbox and escort rst oil pick up pipe that will need machining. Without goin forged that will give you an easy 200bhp and thats more than enough in a cabbi cos they just flex about thats why they never made a fast one.

All this sounds complicated but trust me its not oh ye as far as ecu setup a fiesta rst loom and ofab ecu will run it just fine if you need any more info just ask Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: One for Shrek I think?   Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:39 pm

wow thanks for all the input guys didn't realise this thread had replies lol, for the record it's a mk6
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Lovin all these ideas I'll have to get savin up haha, rwd or 4wd sounds like a hell of a lot of work and steve's probaby right about the chassis flexin, as I said before I know they twist easy so may be better just keep it fwd lol
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